A Y value of 300 pushes them all off the bottom of the screen. Set them to some value from 0-239. Realistically, 0-230 would actually make them show up on the screen.

ok thank you, how does it push the others off screen out of curiosity, I thought they worked sepertly from each sprite?

Well, it doesn't actually "push" them; I just meant that 300 is a position that doesn't appear on the screen. :)

yeah, just realized that, well, part of being new to something. screwing up is a part of learning, been having fun witn the fade command.

hopefully one last question to bother you Ed, how can I get my space ship sprite to show threw the glass sprite, I enlarged the image of the glass, but will only show ether glass or ship, not both.

I haven't seen the glass sprite. Was it filled with transparent color, so that background shows through it, or with black?

seemed like it, the sprite code is 306 to 308, in the sprite viewer is seemed transparent, any way, I'm about to post a key to my ruff draft with two minor notes, but it is a ruff layout.