so far working ok still fine tune it forgot how to do negative numbers with rnd() then it dawn on me last night what i was doing wrong when i was looking over the master hard copy of my game on paper for the ptc version i forgot in my fate roll, you can call a dice roll to use rnd() like this A=RND(12):B=RND(12)-A if b>-1 and b<13 then that cover 0 thr 12 positive numbers